1 00:00:24,709 --> 00:00:26,110 So, tell me the story. 2 00:00:27,710 --> 00:00:32,170 I'm sitting here at my desk, you know, fucking investigating voter suppression, 3 00:00:32,490 --> 00:00:37,090 and fuck if I don't look in my inbox and there's a tip that comes into our 4 00:00:37,090 --> 00:00:38,150 anonymous tip line. 5 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:42,330 Hello, my name is Eileen Umber. 6 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:45,950 I wanted to know if you might be interested in uncovering the truth about 7 00:00:45,950 --> 00:00:46,950 a double homicide. 8 00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:51,730 I've talked to strangers on airplanes. I've written to anybody and everybody I 9 00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:56,430 can think of. It was a breathless email from a housewife in the tiny town of 10 00:00:56,430 --> 00:00:57,430 Alma, Kansas. 11 00:00:57,610 --> 00:01:02,030 I haven't a fucking clue where Alma, Kansas is, but I got a pretty good sense 12 00:01:02,030 --> 00:01:03,030 of who this lady is. 13 00:01:04,269 --> 00:01:09,110 She was, by her own account, a stay-at-home mom who had raised four 14 00:01:09,110 --> 00:01:14,110 boys and who now spent much of her time in her rural ranch house in her pajamas. 15 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:20,540 And even from 2,000 miles away, one detected the whiff of a true crime 16 00:01:20,540 --> 00:01:21,540 obsessive. 17 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:28,220 She wanted to tell me about a grave injustice. 18 00:01:29,140 --> 00:01:30,400 Of course she did. 19 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,280 The truth has not yet been told, and I believe journalism is Dana Chandler's 20 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,280 only hope. 21 00:01:37,980 --> 00:01:42,600 I spent 25 years as a reporter and editor at the New York Times and the 22 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,420 investigative independent outfit. 23 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:49,080 ProPublica. I'd have a hand in a fistful of Pulitzer prizes. 24 00:01:49,460 --> 00:01:54,320 So I've been at the news racket long enough to appreciate that one ignores an 25 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,520 anonymous tip at one's peril. 26 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,580 I figure, what the fuck, I'll Google the case. 27 00:02:02,220 --> 00:02:07,240 Pajama Lady wanted to tell me about a double homicide in Topeka back in 2002. 28 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:17,820 Couple. slain in their bedroom in the dead of night karen harkness daughter of 29 00:02:17,820 --> 00:02:23,400 a big-time topeka businessman and mike cisco the divorced father of two kids 30 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:29,580 crime scene was tough stuff 11 bullets all hit 31 00:02:29,580 --> 00:02:36,460 wounds nose to toes it wasn't a burglary money been left around karen 32 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:37,560 was still wearing her jewelry 33 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,060 There was no DNA, no fingerprints, no eyewitnesses. 34 00:02:43,340 --> 00:02:47,900 But virtually every family member the cops talked to offered the same theory. 35 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:50,500 Mike's ex-wife. 36 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,180 He had an ex-wife that was a real problem. The ex-wife just left my mind. 37 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,560 Mike's ex-wife, a woman named Dana Chandler, might be the killer. 38 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,340 Mike and Dana had been married for 15 years, but after they divorced... 39 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:12,580 Dana was described as a crazy, bitter ex who had lost the custody fight over 40 00:03:12,580 --> 00:03:13,580 their two children. 41 00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:17,100 The authorities in Topeka were convinced Dana was the killer. 42 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Justice followed. 43 00:03:19,140 --> 00:03:21,320 Dana is arrested and tried. 44 00:03:21,740 --> 00:03:25,040 The jury took just 83 minutes to convict. 45 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,020 We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of the crime of murder in the first 46 00:03:29,020 --> 00:03:30,020 degree as charged. 47 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Consecutive life terms, no possibility of parole for 100 years. 48 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:43,460 Jealous ex kills her husband and his new girlfriend. 49 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,220 Case solved as far as I was concerned. 50 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,880 So I decided I didn't have time for a pajama lady in Kansas. 51 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,720 And so I wrote her a polite note with an impolite answer. 52 00:03:55,340 --> 00:03:56,640 Thanks, but no thanks. 53 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Good luck with your pursuit of justice. 54 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:04,780 I don't know whether she didn't get the fucking message, she didn't pick up on 55 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:05,499 the hint. 56 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:07,140 She doesn't stop fucking writing me. 57 00:04:07,540 --> 00:04:09,040 Ten emails a week. 58 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:10,800 None for two weeks. 59 00:04:11,260 --> 00:04:12,440 25 in a day. 60 00:04:12,740 --> 00:04:14,740 It was a crazy assortment of shit. 61 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:20,200 Dear Joe, here is a link to the video of... Dear Joe, did you know that the 62 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,760 lead prosecutor... She's got, like, court records and ballistics reports and 63 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,400 property records. I'm like, I don't know whether to call the cops on her or 64 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,400 fucking hire her. 65 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:35,300 I'd like to say I opened the mall, but I can't. Never even picked up the phone to 66 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:36,109 call her. 67 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:39,050 Barely even acknowledged receiving them beyond a smug. 68 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:42,170 Fascinating, or... I'll be sure to look. 69 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:45,850 I started to refer to her as Pen Pal. 70 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:52,250 But then, after two years of these endless fucking emails, Pen Pal sent me 71 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:55,390 email number 2714. 72 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:58,590 Dear Joe. 73 00:04:58,830 --> 00:05:01,210 And I had the dumb luck to have opened it. 74 00:05:01,470 --> 00:05:05,330 Dana Chandler's convictions had just been overturned. 75 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,100 I've done all manner of crime stories. 76 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,960 State murder convictions overturned. Shit doesn't happen every day. 77 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,260 And the lady was still in prison. They were going to retry her. 78 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,820 And for once, two and a half years into our one-way correspondence, I composed a 79 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:24,300 note of more than three words. 80 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,600 It was six words. 81 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:29,140 Perhaps I should come see you. 82 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:44,970 I'd arrived on the Great Plains, fueled by the reporter's trademark cocktail of 83 00:06:44,970 --> 00:06:46,450 adrenaline and dread. 84 00:06:50,890 --> 00:06:54,850 I really had no idea what I'd find other than a housewife who seemed alternately 85 00:06:54,850 --> 00:06:56,170 brilliant and deranged. 86 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:57,930 Oh, and her husband. 87 00:06:58,590 --> 00:06:59,750 He's part of this, too. 88 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:05,890 Together, they've made this murder case their obsession, their life's calling. 89 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:11,300 Ever since I was a little girl, For some reason, I was interested in true crime 90 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:12,300 stories. 91 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:13,780 Did they have a motive? 92 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:18,120 Actually, they had a fight, so this is why they suspected him. Well, you'll 93 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,120 see. 94 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,880 I try to glean from the show's tips, leads, how did they solve it? 95 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:30,180 At 1.30 in the morning, Kevin Green left the apartment for a hamburger at a fast 96 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:31,180 food restaurant. 97 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,480 I think crime interests us all. 98 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:41,220 I think we're all voyeuristic in a sense. When a crime happens, we want to 99 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,680 know that they got the bad guy and there's justice for the victims. 100 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,880 But in the case of who killed Mike and Karen, that's what we don't have yet. 101 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:55,920 When they arrested Dana, everybody believed they got the right person 102 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,920 except for us. 103 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,480 This isn't solved yet. This case is unresolved. 104 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:05,910 That's not justice to convict the wrong person. 105 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:11,210 I desperately want the families to know who really killed Mike and Karen. 106 00:08:12,170 --> 00:08:16,950 I get very emotional about this. My voice goes up, you know, my blood 107 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:21,830 pressure goes up, my hands turn cold, and I have to ask him to warm my hands. 108 00:08:22,630 --> 00:08:24,310 I can't be calm about this. 109 00:08:25,230 --> 00:08:28,930 I don't know. Anyway, you know, they're the most earnest fucking people you ever 110 00:08:28,930 --> 00:08:29,930 meet in your life. 111 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:31,170 And they... 112 00:08:31,619 --> 00:08:35,200 Never. How in the world did they get a search warrant? Ever. If the shirt she's 113 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,280 wearing has no gunshot residue on it, then she didn't do it. Ever. You take 114 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,559 away the lies, there's nothing left. Stop talking about the fucking Dana 115 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,559 Chandler case. 116 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:46,760 Like with Dana, you know, they just assume, oh, you're the ex-wife. 117 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,100 They had no connection to Dana Chandler when the murders happened or when the 118 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:52,820 case against her was prosecuted. 119 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:56,240 Did not fucking know her at all. 120 00:08:56,940 --> 00:09:01,080 You can see how it unfolds. And yet, they've turned their lives over to 121 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,080 proving her innocence. 122 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:06,180 And in the name of Lord Jesus Christ, Father, I release your blessings upon 123 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:07,180 Dana Chandler. 124 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Channel her heart like you do channels of water and lead her to the right 125 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,760 place. Amen. 126 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Tell me a little bit about yourself. 127 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,720 How'd you guys first meet? 128 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:26,200 First time I saw Eileen, we were in high school. 129 00:09:26,780 --> 00:09:30,320 I was sitting there with my friend, and I said, I got to ask that girl out. 130 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,820 He was literally the picture of the guy that I always dreamed about. 131 00:09:36,340 --> 00:09:41,820 And he used to walk by me in the halls, and all he'd say was, howdy, this Kansas 132 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:44,760 drawl. And I would just melt into a puddle. 133 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:48,320 I summoned the courage and asked her out. 134 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,060 First street we crossed, I grabbed her hand just instinctively. 135 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,760 We never quit holding hands after that. 136 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,720 What's really exciting about working on the Dana Chandler case has been it's a 137 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,980 fulfillment, really, of a lifelong passion. To find ourselves in this 138 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:18,320 situation where we're trying to get to the bottom of a double homicide, it's 139 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,360 kind of surreal. 140 00:10:20,580 --> 00:10:22,840 It was in the summer of 2002. 141 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,840 We got the morning paper and saw the big headlines. 142 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:32,470 We're very interested in crime stories of all nature, and we watch them on the 143 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:36,030 show all the time, and now we have one in Topeka, Kansas that had a double 144 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:39,250 homicide. I mean, of two people in their bed, they were assassinated. 145 00:10:40,030 --> 00:10:44,310 A normally quiet Topeka neighborhood turned into a crime scene Sunday 146 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:49,170 afternoon. A mother and father coming to visit their daughter found her and a man 147 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:50,830 dead inside the home. 148 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,860 911, what's your emergency? 149 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,940 I've just located my daughter and she's downstairs and she's dead. 150 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:13,240 Well, I had tried to raise her by phone and knocking on the door. 151 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:14,900 Got no response. 152 00:11:16,780 --> 00:11:19,860 Really was concerned what had happened here. 153 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:23,740 The patio door was open. 154 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:25,860 And I just slid it on open. 155 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,220 I thought, they have to be in this house someplace. 156 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,600 The cars were there. 157 00:11:37,180 --> 00:11:40,100 I started down the stairway to the lower level. 158 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,680 I could see Karen. 159 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:47,920 She had been shot several times in the back. 160 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,300 Then I found Mike between the bed and the wall. 161 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,280 He had been shot a number of times. 162 00:12:10,540 --> 00:12:15,980 On the night Mike and Karen were killed, they decided that they would go to the 163 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:16,980 local casino. 164 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:21,820 Video cameras captured them at different points. 165 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,260 pouring money into slots, having a drink. 166 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:31,220 They leave around 1.30, coming home with almost a grand. 167 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:35,600 They stop at the gas station, get a cup of coffee. 168 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,840 They arrive back at Karen's townhouse sometime before 3. 169 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:44,620 And in many ways, that's the last of them. 170 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,640 There's no evidence sign of forced entry. 171 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,980 There's money put out on the table and in Mike's wallet. 172 00:12:52,750 --> 00:12:55,730 It kind of runs against the idea that this was some kind of robbery. 173 00:12:56,190 --> 00:12:59,490 They discover a shit ton of fucking shell casings. 174 00:13:00,290 --> 00:13:04,030 Mike was shot seven times through the gut, back. 175 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:09,330 Karen was shot five times, including what folks would later come to argue was 176 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:13,510 some kind of dark grace note shot to her private parts at the end. 177 00:13:14,070 --> 00:13:15,510 No weapon was found. 178 00:13:16,250 --> 00:13:20,530 What was found were Israeli-made subsonic bullets. 179 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,920 most commonly fired from an Uzi-style weapon of war. 180 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,720 That's pretty unusual. 181 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:35,080 When you have signs of overkill, it tells me, at least, whoever did this 182 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,160 killing was motivated by emotion. 183 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,000 When somebody gets killed, I look at the inner circle of that person, primarily 184 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 family members. 185 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,960 Then their friends. 186 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:48,680 And then you want to look at associates. 187 00:13:49,260 --> 00:13:50,840 people they've had contact with. 188 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:56,200 Your suspect in most homicides is going to be found within those three rings. 189 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,840 There was one person who seemed to emerge as a viable suspect, and that was 190 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,480 his ex-wife, Dana Chandler. 191 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:06,000 Then we're going to go for a hike. 192 00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:10,360 Fun. Dana Chandler is a daughter of the American West. 193 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:13,760 She grows up in New Mexico and California. 194 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,380 She's from a big family. She's got a bunch of sisters. 195 00:14:18,510 --> 00:14:22,490 By all accounts, she was a beautiful young woman when she met Mike Sisco. 196 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:27,390 Mike was described as a guy's guy, worked for a welding company, and liked 197 00:14:27,390 --> 00:14:28,390 to hunt and fish. 198 00:14:28,810 --> 00:14:34,750 They married in 1982, quickly had two children, a girl, Haley, and then a boy, 199 00:14:34,930 --> 00:14:35,930 Dustin. 200 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:42,950 But Dana has a drinking problem of, you know, significance, and it begins 201 00:14:42,950 --> 00:14:45,270 to impair her gifts as a mom. 202 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:48,190 Her husband is a drinker, too. 203 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:53,530 There'd be fights and breakups and reunions, but after 15 years of 204 00:14:53,530 --> 00:14:54,950 marriage, they finally divorced. 205 00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:56,890 It wasn't pretty. 206 00:14:57,190 --> 00:15:02,650 There were claims and counterclaims, but eventually Mike prevailed. He got Dana 207 00:15:02,650 --> 00:15:07,110 moved out of the house and won custody of Haley and Dustin, even was awarded 208 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:09,410 child support to be paid by Dana. 209 00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:12,010 When her life... 210 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:18,000 implodes and she loses her children and her marriage is ended, she does a pretty 211 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,420 good job of picking herself back up. 212 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,000 Goes back to school, gets initially her college degree. 213 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:26,940 Congratulations! 214 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,500 Then a master's in accounting. 215 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,980 Maybe most importantly, she gets sober. 216 00:15:35,540 --> 00:15:37,780 But none of that impressed Mike's family. 217 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:44,200 They believe Dana never let go of the anger at having lost Mike and her 218 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,520 children. I understand that there was some friction between your mom and him. 219 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:52,520 Did you hear much about that? I was caught in the middle of it most of the 220 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,520 time. Tell me about that. 221 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:58,140 They didn't get along at all. My mom hated him, and she would call numerous 222 00:15:58,140 --> 00:16:01,720 times, like at night, like 18 times in a row. 223 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:08,000 And she didn't like Karen because she thought that, you know... 224 00:16:08,330 --> 00:16:11,510 i don't know i think she was jealous because karen got to be with us and 225 00:16:11,510 --> 00:16:16,170 she's not her mom and whatever but she really really wanted me and dustin to 226 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:20,450 live there at the time dana chandler lived in denver colorado she worked as 227 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:26,910 an accountant there that's a solid eight hour drive from topeka in the days after 228 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:31,570 the murder she consents to an interview with detective richard bowley 229 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:39,210 She says that the day before the murders in Topeka, she runs a number of errands 230 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:40,890 and then goes to bed. 231 00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:48,470 At the time that Mike and Karen are being killed in Topeka, she's asleep in 232 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:53,430 Denver. She has records that she went to a supermarket and records that she got 233 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:59,710 gas. And included in those records is a receipt for the purchase of two five 234 00:16:59,710 --> 00:17:01,070 -gallon gas cans. 235 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:07,099 Except she doesn't disclose that to Volley in the interview. 236 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:12,180 One of the first subpoenas the police got was for Dana Chandler's phone 237 00:17:12,180 --> 00:17:13,180 records. 238 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,859 Across 28 hours until the evening after Mike and Karen have been killed, her 239 00:17:18,859 --> 00:17:19,859 phone is off. 240 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,480 That was enough to develop a theory. 241 00:17:22,940 --> 00:17:27,940 that on the weekend of the murders, Dana drove from Denver to Topeka, shot Mike 242 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:32,220 and Karen to death without leaving a trace, and drove 540 miles back to 243 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:36,460 Denver without being seen, all thanks to the gas cans. 244 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:42,720 And so the police brought what they regarded as a winnable case to Robert 245 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Heck, the district attorney. 246 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:51,320 None of the investigation was able to establish that anyone saw 247 00:17:52,060 --> 00:17:58,060 Dana Chandler in Topeka the day before, the day of, or the day after the 248 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:59,060 homicide. 249 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:06,160 My refusal to file charges against Dana Chandler created anger and frustration 250 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,520 among members of the police department. 251 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:13,360 You shouldn't file charges unless you have sufficient evidence to establish 252 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,480 the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. 253 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,880 The prosecutor has the final say. I mean, it is a frustrating situation. 254 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:21,500 There was evidence there. 255 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,500 it may not have been physical evidence but it's good circumstantial evidence 256 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:30,940 the police department were never able to establish that dana chandler ever had 257 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:36,260 possession of ammunition never had possession of a firearm were never able 258 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:43,140 to put her in topeka shawnee county or kansas so what were the means 259 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:49,920 and what was the opportunity and he would say no for years year after year 260 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,090 i don't know how you know If you get a fucking case, it could be more ice cold. 261 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:59,990 For seven years, police in Kansas have been stumped by a murder they call 262 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:01,230 perfectly planned. 263 00:19:01,530 --> 00:19:05,270 There was no forced entry, nothing stolen, and no signs of a struggle. 264 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:10,090 Tomorrow night, 48 Hours Mystery will investigate this murder case. 265 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,270 The mystery continues. 266 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:16,870 Seven years after the murders... 267 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,860 CBS's 48 Hours, mainstay of true crime, decide they're going to come to Topeka 268 00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:23,860 and do a show. 269 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,940 What we're left with is an emotional killing. It's an emotional execution. 270 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:35,300 Whoever it was who did this hated these people. They wanted them dead, and they 271 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:36,420 wanted to make sure they were dead. 272 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,320 They had won the cooperation of the newly elected DA. 273 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:46,360 Hecht was out, a young, handsome, politically ambitious successor. 274 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:51,840 chad taylor was in i hope that through a thorough review getting a fresh set of 275 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,760 eyes looking at it i hope we're able to bring justice for those families dana 276 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,340 chandler dana chandler dana chandler dana channel the 48 hours episode was 277 00:20:01,340 --> 00:20:07,220 the first time dana chandler had ever been publicly identified as the person 278 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:12,920 responsible for the deaths of mike and karen your children would like for you 279 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:13,920 to talk 280 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:29,600 Dana Chandler's children believed that their mom had killed their dad and his 281 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,100 girlfriend. But Haley, in particular, wanted her brought to justice. 282 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:48,050 I would say everybody in Topeka was tuning in. This case was cold, very 283 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:52,310 cold, and I thought, great, now somebody's going to really dig into it. 284 00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:58,790 The show utilized a famous homicide detective who's considered an expert in 285 00:20:58,790 --> 00:20:59,790 the field. 286 00:20:59,870 --> 00:21:04,190 I have personally investigated, supervised, consulted, and assessed over 287 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:05,310 8,000 homicides. 288 00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:08,430 He put together an analysis of the case. 289 00:21:08,670 --> 00:21:14,520 The report concluded... Dana Chandler is the one and only person who had the 290 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,480 motive, means, and opportunity to commit these murders. 291 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:25,680 They used all the power of the media to make people believe, yep, that girl did 292 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,740 it. And to this day, people say, oh, after I watched 48 hours, I was 293 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:30,740 convinced she did it. 294 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,200 In 2011, a case that had been cold for years got quite hot. 295 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:49,760 Dana Chandler is arrested, and CBS's 48 Hours cameras are there. 296 00:21:50,260 --> 00:21:52,540 They saw a chance at a second episode. 297 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,660 This one built around Dana's trial. 298 00:21:55,740 --> 00:21:57,160 A woman's in that job. 299 00:21:57,420 --> 00:22:02,440 If she's a bad mother, if she's a crazy person, doesn't necessarily make her a 300 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,600 killer. This hag killed two people, and the reason we know that is because 301 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,260 everything she said she was doing instead of the killing was a lie. 302 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:17,120 All rise. Division 14 in the Third Conditional District is now in session. 303 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,200 The Honorable Nancy Parrish presiding. 304 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:23,340 May I please the court, counsel, members of the jury? 305 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,640 I could kill him. 306 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,620 I thought about killing him. 307 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:36,460 These are the words of this defendant about her ex-husband, Mike Sisko. 308 00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:42,760 The case against Dana Chandler was essentially to portray her as an 309 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:47,160 unhinged, vindictive, hateful ex-wife. 310 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:51,180 Was there a time within the seven or eight days that Karen told you about the 311 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:55,300 defendant showing up uninvited and unwanted at Mike's house? Yes. 312 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,360 Its effect on Karen was what? 313 00:22:59,950 --> 00:23:00,950 She was scared. 314 00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:06,850 And the prosecution argued that Mike had actually even sought the court's 315 00:23:06,850 --> 00:23:09,430 protection from the threat of his ex-wife. 316 00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:11,510 Did Mike get a protection from abuse? 317 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:13,130 Yes, he did. Against who? 318 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:14,470 Against the defendant. 319 00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:19,530 Mike got a protection from abuse, a court order. He applied and said, hey 320 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:24,390 judge, please order this woman to stay away from me. And the judge agreed. 321 00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:28,880 And they even... put forward the idea that there was a triggering event that 322 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,800 pushed her from just angry and bitter to murderous. 323 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,580 Two days before the homicides, the defendant called Mike. 324 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:43,600 Mike at this time told the defendant in that five-minute phone call that the two 325 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,740 were engaged and planned to be married. 326 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:51,260 But I don't think anything can really prepare you for seeing two children 327 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:54,680 testify against their mother. 328 00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,070 in the trial for the murder of their father. 329 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:00,570 How did you learn of their death? 330 00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:08,510 Whenever we got back that night, my grandma and my sister showed up, and 331 00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:14,590 I told them that my dad was going to pick me up in the morning. 332 00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:37,330 And they told me that my grandma sat me down and told me that he was murdered. 333 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:44,350 Did your dad have trouble with anybody but the defendant? 334 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:49,310 No. Did Karen have trouble with anybody but the defendant? No. 335 00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:52,970 That's all I have. 336 00:24:55,470 --> 00:24:56,910 Can you tell us your name, please? 337 00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:58,350 I'm Haley Sisko. 338 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:00,130 How old are you? 339 00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:01,670 I'm 27. 340 00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:09,090 My mom pulled up to the side of our car and started yelling at my dad and 341 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:11,110 Karen and called Karen a whore and a slut. 342 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:17,950 I don't think that she could really move on like my dad had moved on. 343 00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:25,170 In one sad, spooky moment, Dana Chandler locks eyes with her daughter 344 00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:29,570 or mouths the words, I still love you. 345 00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:41,870 In the District Court of Shawnee County, State of Kansas versus Dana L. Chandler, 346 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:46,450 we, the jury, find the defendant guilty of the crime of murder in the first 347 00:25:46,450 --> 00:25:48,250 degree as charged in count one. 348 00:25:49,030 --> 00:25:53,630 Verdict form number two. We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of the crime 349 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:56,410 of murder in the first degree as charged in count two. 350 00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:02,090 I was stunned. 351 00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:04,190 Shocked. 352 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,400 Pen Pal watched the trial, too. 353 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,360 She attended every day of the three-week drama. 354 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,440 Where, she asked, was the fucking evidence? 355 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,380 Never in a million years did I think that she was guilty. 356 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:26,640 Once Dana was convicted, our advocacy then switched to helping her. 357 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,020 I guess we're motivated to do what we do because of our faith. 358 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:34,500 And the Bible says, speak up for those who can't speak. 359 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,620 Speak up for justice. 360 00:26:38,140 --> 00:26:42,000 When Keene was a trashman, he used to pray on the trash truck. He said, Lord, 361 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,840 if you want me to be a trashman the rest of my life, I will. 362 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:49,600 But if it's your will, I pray one day I can use my mind instead of my back. And 363 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,720 Keene has an amazing mind. 364 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:56,820 Keene Humber got the Waubonsie County trash contract back in 1981. 365 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,140 His relationship with the county remained friendly until 1989. 366 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:07,130 During his time as the town's trashman, He also became its self-styled 367 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:12,110 muckraking local newspaper columnist. He liked to question county budgets, take 368 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:14,130 on causes, and culprits. 369 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:16,090 People loved the articles. 370 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:19,810 Nobody had ever challenged the county commissioners like I was doing. 371 00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:25,290 Eileen was very supportive because she was equally as annoyed as I was. 372 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:29,570 He developed his own unorthodox investigative techniques. 373 00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:34,290 The janitor courthouse and I had a kind of a... 374 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:40,710 understanding the janitor would place all sorts of confidential material in a 375 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:46,770 designated trash bag they couldn't figure out how I was getting that 376 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:52,050 information the garbage was in the black bags the county secrets were in the 377 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:58,330 white bag local authorities had enough of this fucking Bob Woodward here and 378 00:27:58,330 --> 00:28:00,050 they cut off his trash contract 379 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,260 They terminated my contract based on the content of my articles, and that is a 380 00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:07,480 violation of the First Amendment. 381 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,260 He says, screw that. 382 00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:13,620 He takes his case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court and fucking wins. 383 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,940 We were hugging each other. We were laughing. 384 00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:18,420 We couldn't hardly even speak. 385 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,560 We think there'll be a better America because of this. I mean, seriously, 386 00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:26,560 people will be less afraid to speak out. That's the plumb I get to walk away 387 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,100 with, knowing that other people are coming behind me. 388 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,580 can use my case to get justice. 389 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,580 Fresh off his Supreme Court victory, he decides, you know what? I'm gonna go 390 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:41,580 back to college, I'm gonna get a degree, I'm gonna go to law school, I'm gonna 391 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:42,580 become a lawyer. 392 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,700 He opens his own private practice. 393 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,980 If injustice is going on out there, I can't live over here and say, well, it 394 00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:49,980 doesn't affect me. 395 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:51,600 That's just who I am. 396 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,420 In God's house, there's many vessels. 397 00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:55,300 He made me a certain kind of vessel. 398 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,200 I'm a sword, and the purpose of a sword is to... 399 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:03,590 poke and kill and do the justice part that's where my faith is 400 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:09,690 i 401 00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:16,650 wanted to visit dana chandler in jail so i wrote and asked if she 402 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:21,930 would allow that finally after many attempts she agreed to meet 403 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:27,050 i'm here at the prison i'm going to be visiting dana now 404 00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:31,710 This is where Dana Chandler spends her days and nights. 405 00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:37,430 I do recall being concerned that everything's recorded, so I wrote 406 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:40,350 something on a piece of paper and put it up on the glass. 407 00:29:40,990 --> 00:29:42,670 I didn't know her at all. 408 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:46,430 She didn't know me either, but we forged a relationship. 409 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,080 Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Keene was working to acquire all the discovery 410 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,520 files from the case. I would make notes and go back and categorize each person's 411 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,300 testimony and analyze it and cross-analyze it. To start laying the 412 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,420 groundwork for an appeal. 413 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080 Dan didn't know me, so she was appropriately cautious. 414 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,600 You know, but we're the only ones willing to help. 415 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,540 Then we entered into a legal relationship where I could meet with her 416 00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:16,120 in a special room. 417 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,540 We were still on video, but they could not listen. 418 00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:24,180 They started putting their heads together about how to put on an appeal. 419 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:30,560 While he was working with Dana side by side, I would work on projects at home, 420 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:32,760 and personally, I like to stay in my pajamas. 421 00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:38,400 Together... They combined their efforts to try to prove that Dana Chandler had 422 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,240 been wrongfully convicted by unscrupulous and unrepentant 423 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,040 prosecutors. Call it the case against the case of Kansas v. 424 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:48,460 Dana Chandler. 425 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,740 The prosecution's theory for a motive was that Mike and Dana had a five-minute 426 00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:58,600 conversation two days before the murders. 427 00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:03,840 Mike at this time told the defendant in that five-minute phone call, that the 428 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,860 two were engaged and planned to be married there's no evidence about the 429 00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:14,160 content of the phone call so there's only evidence that they spoke there 430 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,200 wasn't a tape there wasn't a transcript there wasn't a recording nothing it was 431 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:24,120 all made up but jackie stated that was the trigger for dana to drive 540 miles 432 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,700 purchase a gun and break into the home and kill two people in order to 433 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:33,880 establish that premise they manufactured the claim that Mike had to get a 434 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,560 protection from abuse order, and they used, of all people, the lead detective 435 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,200 to testify to this. 436 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,260 Did Mike get a protection from abuse? 437 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,640 Yes, he did. 438 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Against who? 439 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:45,780 Against the defendant. 440 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,580 So I went hunting for this protection from abuse order. 441 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,080 I filed them before. 442 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,720 I know what they look like. It was about three-quarters of an inch thick of 443 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,880 paperwork. It's not just a single paper. You can't miss it. 444 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:03,250 I'm going through every page of this divorce proceeding, and I don't find it. 445 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:08,550 It's not there. It was never there because it never happened. It was total 446 00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:14,350 fiction. The only order Mike ever obtained in the divorce proceeding was a 447 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:17,910 mutual restraining order. At the very beginning, that's routinely handed out 448 00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:18,990 to both parties. 449 00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:23,150 But a protection from abuse order is much more serious. There's a hearing. 450 00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:25,930 The other side gets to have a lawyer. You have a little trial. 451 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,360 It's a big deal to get one of these things. And it gave the imprimatur to 452 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,620 the jury that Dana was dangerous. 453 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:37,860 To Keene and Eileen, the testimony by cops was nothing short of perjury. 454 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,620 I could see there just wasn't going to be enough time in a day for us to really 455 00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:43,440 dedicate our lives to this case. 456 00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:47,080 So we owned 500 acres out here, some family property. 457 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:52,280 We decided to sell it, and I would close my law practice so we could dedicate 458 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,060 ourselves 100%. 459 00:32:54,670 --> 00:32:57,250 to Dana's case every single waking day. 460 00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:04,730 We made the decision that we're going to sell this. 461 00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:10,110 We're just so committed to this case that there's really nothing else in life 462 00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:10,949 that matters. 463 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:17,170 The wrong done to her is just that great. If Dana Chandler can't get a fair 464 00:33:17,170 --> 00:33:19,770 trial and due process, then none of us can. 465 00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:28,440 So Dana gets convicted in March 2012 and immediately files a notice of appeal. 466 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,500 But her first appellate argument was in January 27, 2016, almost four years 467 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:36,660 after she gets convicted. 468 00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:43,620 I call the second case on this morning's docket, State of Kansas v. Chandler. May 469 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:46,340 I please court Jackie Spradling on behalf of the Appley? 470 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:51,380 Right off the bat, Supreme Court justices were just nailing her. 471 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,740 I don't see how you say during that phone call the victim told the defendant 472 00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:59,460 that they were getting engaged. 473 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,520 We don't know anything about what happened in that phone call, do we? Do 474 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,900 you have any direct evidence or any kind of evidence that's stronger than what 475 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,120 you've already talked about on what happened during the five-minute phone 476 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,120 call? 477 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,000 Not that I can promise she was in their record rather than just in my mind. 478 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,179 That's not an answer. Yes, I understand. The answer has to be it's in evidence. 479 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,920 You understand that, of course. Yes, Your Honor. 480 00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:24,320 Judge after judge after judge, just nailing her on the mistakes she had made 481 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,880 and the false statements she had made. 482 00:34:26,179 --> 00:34:31,159 How do you stand up in front of a jury and tell them that a protection from 483 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,080 abuse order was entered? 484 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,699 What I should have said, Your Honor, was that there was a protective order. 485 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,100 That's a whole lot different than a protection from abuse order, isn't it? 486 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:46,780 I'll agree that there was no protection from abuse order. Even though you said 487 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:47,618 there was? 488 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:51,620 Yes, sir. Why isn't that misconduct, and why isn't that something we should look 489 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:53,739 at? And what is your answer to that? 490 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,800 They completely gutted Jackie Spradling that day. 491 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,460 Would you like 60 seconds to wrap up, or do you think you've established your 492 00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:03,660 points? No, thank you. I'm good. 493 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,710 Supreme Court decisions always come out on Friday. 494 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:11,790 I'm there waiting, like I've waited so many weeks before, and I see it pop, 495 00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:13,330 State v. Chandler. 496 00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:15,290 I said, oh, my gosh. 497 00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:19,030 There's no sense in reading the first part. You just zoom right past to the 498 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:21,010 end, reverse and remand it. 499 00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:25,690 A major Topeka murder case has been overturned. The state's highest court 500 00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:27,410 ruling that the case was botched. 501 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,840 it said the lead prosecutor jackie spradling told the jury false 502 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:41,740 information prosecutorial misconduct made up evidence lies to the jury 503 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:46,940 the kansas supreme court's reversal was blistering the desire to win the 504 00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:52,740 justices held had trumped truth dana chandler sent ksnt news a written letter 505 00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:56,180 from prison and the letter chandler thanks the supreme court justices and 506 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:58,540 attorney king umber for their work in the reversal 507 00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:04,490 But they didn't vacate the decisions, right? They sent it back to the trial 508 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:09,190 court and to the prosecutor's office. There was now yet another new district 509 00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:10,430 attorney in office. 510 00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:16,010 Shawnee County District Attorney Mike Kage says if the state decides to retry 511 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:20,810 Chandler, the new trial would have to begin within 150 days. 512 00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:24,350 And he decided he would try her again. 513 00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:31,050 But Penbell and Treshman were determined to see that never happened. 514 00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:36,770 I still always gravitate back to watching true crime stories on TV. 515 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:41,670 Some of it dovetails in with what we're trying to do to get to the bottom of who 516 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:46,170 killed Mike and Karen. Because to be honest, this has never been just about 517 00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:50,590 Dana Chandler's innocence and a desire to see her free. 518 00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:55,670 Not only do we believe in her innocence, we want the true killer of Mike Sisko 519 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:57,330 and Karen Harkness to be brought to justice. 520 00:36:57,770 --> 00:37:04,370 I first came to know Keene and Eileen as passionate crusaders for a woman they 521 00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:06,590 thought was, you know, wrongly convicted. 522 00:37:06,970 --> 00:37:11,930 But they weren't just advocates for the innocence of Dana Chandler. 523 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:17,170 Actually, they were pretty certain. 524 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:24,620 Not only that Dana Chandler... is innocent, but that they know who fucking 525 00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:25,620 did it.